The One Where I End up on Newsnight

You might have caught a report in the news yesterday about a “tsunami of family breakdown” heading our way – because apparently 1m children are living in a man desert thanks to their single Mothers, who fail to provide them with decent male role models.

The Centre for Social Justice, a right-wing think tank that is very supportive of the traditional family model, claims that children of single Mums are more likely to be involved with teenage crime, educational underachievement and depression.

It’s the kind of story that REALLY gets my goat. Because the children of single parents don’t under-achieve BECAUSE they are being raised by feckless single mothers, or because they lack male role models. It’s the old confusion between correlation and causation raising its head again, isn’t it?

The children of single parents often underachieve because single Mums tend to earn less money; tend to be less well educated; and tend to have less opportunities overall.

And that’s what I found myself chatting about last night on Newsnight. As you do.

I have to admit – the notion of appearing on live TV was absolutely terrifying but I comforted myself with the theory that probably almost nobody I know watches Newsnight, so if I made an idiot of myself, at least nobody would notice. And as my Mum said, it’s a life experience, so why not?

The whole thing wasn’t confirmed until just after 8pm, and the BBC had arranged a car to pick me up at 9pm so I took the world’s fastest shower and then Flea helped pick out “your very nicest clothes” for my TV debut.

A quick drive to Salford later, I was being met by a BBC runner who whisked me into a studio, put a microphone under my sweater (top tip for TV appearances: wear two layers so that strange men don’t have to navigate your bra) and Sellotaped a microphone to my ear. Apparently, all I had to do was stare down the camera and pretend I was talking to Jeremy himself. Simple. *cough*

A man in London started chatting to me through the earpiece, checking my name and letting me know I’d be on air in about half an hour, so I busied myself on Facebook, asking my team for some reassuring words. Someone brought me a cup of coffee. I took a few sneaky photos – well, I am a blogger, after all…

Then the voice in my ear suddenly said, “About three minutes, there, Miss Whittle…” 


“You’ll be live on screen as soon as this video segment finishes, so prepare yourself.” 

The buggers had only changed the running order! I turned off my phone (“You’d be surprised how many people phone you when they see you on live TV,” said the runner) and realised I’d have to wing it without any advice whatsoever. I scribbled some notes on a piece of paper, said a quick prayer, and tried not to look like a complete babbling idiot.

And ten minutes later, I was done!

If you want to see how it went, you can see for yourself below, but I think it went okay – and I did remember to make the point that what’s important here (in my view) is not demonising single Mums but rather looking at how we can support families of all shapes and sizes, and focusing on  how we can improve the availability of flexible, high-quality childcare and flexible working to allow single Mums to look after their children AND take on meaningful work that will support their family.


This morning, Flea was very keen to know how I’d got on. I told her someone on Twitter liked my jumper, which she took as a personal compliment, since she picked it out. I tried to explain to her that some people think kids of single Mums don’t do very well, because they are mostly looked about by just one parent.

“If I’d been on Newsnight, I would have told them I am not forlorn in the slightest,” she said, adding: “That’s a fancy word for depression, obviously.”

You know what? I think this child of a single Mum is doing just fine, thanks.



Sally is a full-time blogger and founder of the Tots100, Trips100, Foodies100 and HIBS100 communities, along with the MAD Blog Awards. She spends a bit too much time on the Internet. She’s also a very happy Mum to Flea, the world’s coolest ten year old.


  1. 11th June 2013 / 9:03 am

    I was watching! I even recorded it, because I am sad like that! I think you made excellent points and you looked completely calm while the other guest was getting a little flustered. You are a natural on TV. And yes, Flea chose your outfit perfectly! As a child of a single parent, I don’t feel that I underachieved or had a worse life. In fact, I had a far better life than if my parents had stayed together and I am grateful to both of them for that.
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    • 11th June 2013 / 12:07 pm

      Thanks lovely! I forgot to record it, can you believe it? Thankfully there’s always iPlayer…

    • 11th June 2013 / 12:07 pm

      Thanks Mirka, I love a good, heated debate 🙂

  2. Joanne Mallon
    11th June 2013 / 10:14 am

    Just watched it, you were terrific, well done. Also how you disappeared into space at the end was very Star Trek #missesthepoint

    • 11th June 2013 / 12:07 pm

      I think it’s important to appreciate the visuals…

  3. Heather
    11th June 2013 / 11:47 am

    I watched it on iplayer this morning, not only did you look lovely but you sounded very intelligent and had a well thought out arguments and points. The whole idea of them somehow forcing men into the lives of children which they don’t want to be involved in sounds very destructive for all parties involved imo.

    • 11th June 2013 / 12:08 pm

      Aw, thanks. I think the idea that adding any male figure into a family magically fixes problems of poverty, lack of opportunity and unemployment is just risible, to be honest.

  4. 11th June 2013 / 11:39 am

    I watched it and thought you were brilliant. My ‘interview’ on Radio 5 was nervewracking enough, but there is no way I would have done Newsnight, so bravo to you. My brother walked in when I was watching it and when I told him who you were he said “bloody hell, bloggers are taking over the world!” Hehe…
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    • 11th June 2013 / 12:07 pm

      It was all so quick I’m not sure I had time to get nervous!

    • 11th June 2013 / 12:08 pm

      Thanks, and I shall pass on all compliments to my stylist.

  5. 11th June 2013 / 12:30 pm

    Just echoing what everyone said, you came across so well, really coherent and reasoned (much better than the other guy! Still trying to work out what his point was). No inside goss about Jeremy P then? 🙂
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    • 11th June 2013 / 4:10 pm

      I didn’t get to meet or speak to Jeremy, sadly. *sobs*

  6. purplemum
    11th June 2013 / 1:41 pm

    Articulate and yes a very fine sweater. The bloke your debating with kinda grates tbh. “most women have never had a fight, that;s not how women communicate” um he obviously wasn’t at my secondary school.

    • 11th June 2013 / 4:12 pm

      Ah, thanks! I think when he made his comment about ladies not fighting, I sort of figured I was going to win the debate 😉

  7. Ant
    11th June 2013 / 12:46 pm

    As a dad today, who was one of four raised by a single mum many moons ago, I agree with every point you make. My siblings and I turned out to be a ‘mixed bag’ in terms of personalities and so-called achievements. Our father was totally absent during our formative years, which was a good thing. Had he been around, the levels of family conflict would have been a significant issue for us, as they are for far too many other families. This type of conflict, along with poverty, are the prime issues here, not this father figure myth. I am pleased my role model was and still is my mum.

    • 11th June 2013 / 4:11 pm

      Hi Ant, thanks for commenting 🙂

      I think the best academic research shows the most important factor in children’s outcomes, in terms of education, crime etc is socio-economic – the mother’s age, level of education and income have far more bearing than whether a father is a good role model.

  8. Mummypinkwellies
    11th June 2013 / 1:49 pm

    You were AWESOME!

    • 11th June 2013 / 4:12 pm

      Really? Wow, thanks!

      • Mummypinkwellies
        12th June 2013 / 3:09 pm

        Of course really. I thought you came across really well and made some excellent points 🙂

  9. 11th June 2013 / 1:50 pm

    I’ve just watched and you did brilliantly. I’d have been a jibbering wreck, I don’t know how you managed to look so calm. This sort of lazy reporting drives me mad. I’ve seen the same thing this morning with a report saying northerners are more likely to die prematurely than southerners as if being born in Durham condems you to ill health rather than acknowledging the more relevant link between wealth and education and health outcomes. Frustrating that they don’t seem to thing the public hand handle a slightly more complex view of what’s going on.
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    • 11th June 2013 / 4:13 pm

      Thanks so much Cat – it was quite nerve-wracking but I’m predisposed to love a good debate. I have ranted regularly about causality and correlation – they are NOT the same, but it serves some people’s agendas to assume they are.

  10. Nikki
    11th June 2013 / 1:56 pm

    Just watched it on iplayer – my thoughts:

    1. How calm are you!!! Go girl!!
    2. How did you not just say “what are you talking about fool” to that man?
    3. Re girls and fights? He’s from a different planet. Show me any child that’s never been bullied or involved in a fight and I’ll take you to Neverland for tea…..
    4. Yes, a male role model is important, but it doesn’t need to be the father.

    Last point – ah yes, single parents are to blame for all of the world’s issues – how did you forget that Sally? Tut tut……(Joke – obv)!

    • 11th June 2013 / 4:13 pm

      1. Ha! Thanks 🙂
      2. I think from sentence one, I knew he was coming from a VERY different place to me, let’s just put it that way!
      3. Quite.
      4. Amen, sister.

      And yes. We’re a terrible liability, I know.

  11. susie newday
    11th June 2013 / 4:59 pm

    Amen to flea. Huge hugs to you(cause I know you love those) 🙂
    and you know I think you are an amazing mum.

    • Vegemitevix
      11th June 2013 / 9:12 pm

      Hi Susie and Sally, Hey Susie what proxy server did you use to see the iplayer outside of the UK? I can’t seem to get to see it and I know there’s a way. Way to go Sally, you big star you! Vx NB/ Couldn’t agree with you more especially as I was a single parent for over three years (and arguably even before that!) and I believe my teens have worked out just fine.

      • 11th June 2013 / 9:18 pm

        You might want to ask @daddacool, he knows these things.

    • 11th June 2013 / 8:54 pm

      Thanks Susie, Flea says we’re definitely coming to visit next year 🙂

      • Susie Newday
        12th June 2013 / 6:54 am

        I definitely cannot wait!!!! Hope she actually gets you here!

  12. 11th June 2013 / 5:19 pm

    Well done Sally – you kept your cool in what seemed to be something of a manufactured debate: you both want the best for kids, and that came across really clearly in what you, especially, were saying. Very calm and collected – you’re a tv natural!
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    • 11th June 2013 / 8:55 pm

      Thanks, it was a little bit manufactured, I agree, but I also agree that I was right and the other person was wrong. Right? Possibly my need to win arguments kicked in on this one…

  13. 11th June 2013 / 6:35 pm

    I thought you were great Sally, very calm and composed.

    When you on again? 😉
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    • 11th June 2013 / 8:55 pm

      hahaha. I’m not sure they need a rambling blogger TOO often but I’d love to do it again

  14. TheBoyandMe
    11th June 2013 / 6:41 pm

    You were ace! Looked far more eloquent and knowledgeable than the daft bloke banging on about… well hang on, he kept changing his argument didn’t he? When he realised that he was talking complete twaddle!

    • 11th June 2013 / 8:56 pm

      Thanks lovely, I’m not often called eloquent but I’ll definitely take a compliment!

  15. 11th June 2013 / 6:46 pm

    Well done Sally. It all happens so quick doesn’t it. Two weeks ago I’d never been on tv and not been in the paper since I was in school. Suddenly I had three tv appearances, three on two different radio stations and I went international in more newspapers than I can count…repeatedly. I’m left sitting at home thinking “what was all that about?” Lol.

    You did brilliantly. Well done for standing up for single mums. Xx

    • 11th June 2013 / 8:57 pm

      Thanks Emma!

  16. 11th June 2013 / 7:13 pm

    You came across really well, and made sensible, intelligent points, whilst also making it sound like you’d actually READ the research concerned. Quite the opposite of the bloke who was on with you. I watched it on catch-up on iPlayer, and then had to rewind it to get the geekdaddy to watch too, as I knew he would agree with you about the discrimination towards fathers in schools.

    And I LOVE that jumper!
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    • 11th June 2013 / 8:58 pm

      I’ll tell you a secret. I didn’t read the research. But discrimination against Dads is another one of those things that REALLY bugs me – it’s so sad we have a society where a man who wants to get involved in kids’ activities is automatically assumed to be doing something wrong by a huge portion of the community.

  17. 11th June 2013 / 8:39 pm

    As I said before, great hair! Seriously though, you were spot on and absolutely won that debate in my view, without looking like an angry talking head who lost track of what they were saying. I predict your number will be kept on speed dial for future Newsnight (and other BBC) appearances!
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    • 11th June 2013 / 8:58 pm

      My hair thanks you. I blow dried it and everything, you know. Okay, in five mins flat while the BBC car was waiting outside my house, but still… it’s nice to know the effort was appreciated 🙂

  18. 11th June 2013 / 8:43 pm

    Well done Sally for a thoughtful debate in which Paxo was able to be silent. Based on years and years of listening to him moderate, in good temper and bad, that is no small achievement.

    • 11th June 2013 / 8:59 pm

      Thanks Matt, I couldn’t see him, of course, thought he might have dropped off!

  19. 11th June 2013 / 9:02 pm

    This has probably already been said but I’m disappointed that your onscreen caption didn’t read Evil Overlord 😉

    • 11th June 2013 / 9:21 pm

      A travesty, I agree. Apparently they thought it would be “confusing” for the viewer, or somesuch. Tsk.

  20. 11th June 2013 / 9:29 pm

    BRILLIANT! Well done you, Newsnight – I say! You’ve hit the big time 🙂 Oh, the kudos of being able to claim, “I’ve been on Newsnight and escaped the wrath of Paxman!”
    The only forlorn thing about any of this is the average iQ of a think-tank member. THINK-tank…? they’re ‘avin’ a giraffe aren’t they?
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:04 pm

      haha! Not sure about big time, but it was a lot of fun – thanks!

  21. I thought you were ruddy brilliant. That man meant well but he was talking about living in an ideal world. He obviously has no real experience of the situation or even knows anyone in our position. I don’t get anything from my ex-husband either – the CSA started taking funds from his wages so he gave up work. He’d already got the near £1000 debt owed down to £8 per week, but he even stopped that so his idea of ‘forcing people to take responsibility’ is pie in the sky, although you put it rather more politely that that while he floundered. Good on you. Hope this is the start of things to come for you 🙂
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:03 pm

      Thanks Anya, it’s nice to hear! My ex is a great support now, but the process of getting there hasn’t been without its fraught moments!

  22. 11th June 2013 / 9:55 pm

    You were awesome,

    I feel as one of afore mentioned team I may have let you down with motivational comments…..

    Sorry bout that.


    • 12th June 2013 / 5:03 pm

      I did halfway through one sentence wonder if I could use the word awesome, as requested..

  23. 11th June 2013 / 11:17 pm

    Well done! Thanks for speaking up for single parents, and yes, the jumper rocked!
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:03 pm

      The jumper has been a total success. I should probably wash it now, though…

    • 12th June 2013 / 5:02 pm

      I’m not sure, but she’s a fan of the fancy, that’s for sure!

  24. 12th June 2013 / 7:06 am

    You did very well.

    You do know I ended up on holiday with jeremy don’t you !
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:02 pm

      Oooh. Did you?

    • 12th June 2013 / 5:02 pm

      Thanks – I’ll make a note of the hoodie for next time!

  25. 12th June 2013 / 10:55 am

    Just watched you on iplayer, Sally. So good to hear Mum bloggers be smart and articulate in a very public platform arena like Newsnight. I saw Shaun Bailey speaking from a particular place in his childhood that doesn’t necessarily apply to many people, and seemed to speak primarily about absent fathers’ lack of financial accountability for their children . He acknowledged too that he had had great support from other males both inside and outside his family as he was growing up. Wouldn’t we do well to remember that many successful and happy people have come from a single parent household? Ex-President of US Bill Clinton and President Barack Obama to name but two.
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:01 pm

      Thanks for watching Jo – single parent families can be just as happy and successful as other families, with the right support!

  26. 12th June 2013 / 12:19 pm

    You did bloody brilliantly missus! *stands up and applauds*

    My best friend is a single mum – she had her son at 19 and he’s never really had a male role model in his life as she split up with his Dad when he was just a toddler. He’s going to be 21 soon and I’ve watched him over those 21 years turn into a wonderful young man. He has respect for women and can look after himself etc.

    I’m so glad single Mums were represented by you, Sally. Bravo!
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    • 12th June 2013 / 5:01 pm

      Thanks Heather, I think single Mums deserve every credit and support, and it infuriates me how quick the media are sometimes to blame everything on them!

    • 12th June 2013 / 5:00 pm

      Thanks, I’ll be sure to show her this when she’s older and thinks I’m a loser.

  27. Nadine Hill, Juggle Mum
    13th June 2013 / 5:11 pm

    I’ve downloaded it on ‘Catch Up’ Sky TV so I can watch it later! This is the first time I’ve ever downloaded Newsnight… it’s nestled in my ‘to watch’ list along with The Good Wife, Hannibal and The Wizard of Diz (that last one is my 5 year old’s!)

  28. Vic
    14th June 2013 / 11:44 am

    You kicked ass! Valid points, well put across. Whereas your ‘opponent’, every time he spoke I just thought “I wonder how you’d work that with my ex?”

  29. Threebecomefour
    16th June 2013 / 10:04 am

    I thought you did amazingly well. You were professional, articulate and calm and listened to the points being made by the other guest (he didn’t extend you the same courtesy however). You presented yourself far more clearly than many other, theoretically experienced, guests that have been on the show. Well done! I couldn’t have done that.

  30. 17th June 2013 / 12:04 pm

    I thought you did brilliantly. Single mums do a brilliant job on the whole, I did it for 5 years and it was hard work being the being one everything falls to, but I do not believe my daughter has suffered for it. I quite agree that many of the things blamed on single parents are actually due to poverty. Life these days is very hard on one income, it’s pretty hard on two! A little more support wouldn’t go amiss, rather than constantly being blamed for the ills of society.
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  31. 20th June 2013 / 11:50 am

    Well done you! I thought the points you raised were important and he did look a lot more flustered than you.

    I am divorced and had to leave my abusive husband when my son was 4.5 months old. If the role model does not step up to the plate and do all what he promised he would do, then you end up in a position of being a single parent. I had hopes and dreams, but I had to put my son FIRST and get out. I am now fighting a system where I do not get housed, as people that seek asylum have more chances than I do. I am degree educated and worked my whole god damn adult life (and even worked school holidays, had two paper rounds and picked fruit at school).

    Also, if the father leaves jobs because the CSA are involved and find out where they’re working… how does that help?

    There needs to be better male role models and a fairer system for those single parents who don’t just breed to get a house!
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  32. 22nd June 2013 / 11:44 pm

    Only saw this today – so well said, Sally, such important points to make. I think Flea would have made quite an impression on Newsnight too! I totally believe that the worse outcomes for children raised by single parents are due to lack of support. So much research shows that regardless of family makeup, maternal education levels and income are the link to worse outcomes for the child, as is a socially isolated parent (which is more likely to happen to single parents because of the constant juggling). As a single parent it is much harder to access training or have a high enough income to give a child a full range of opportunities, it’s this we’ve got to change, and stop guilt tripping single parents who are doing the most amazing job under really tough circumstances. Also well said about non-father male role models, that is so bang on.
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